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  • K. McEuen
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    Sorry, this is now taking a political slant in some comments. The thread is closed

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  • auntstuff
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    Actually I have always felt the parents should be made responsible for their mess, NOT the taxpayers. Jail a few parents, and maybe some would start to BE parents again.

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  • grammaterry
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    This will come off sounding heartless but in our county teen pregnancy is a crisis and social services is the largest part of our taxed budget . I have thoughts that we should not pay for pregnancy thru Medicaid...no prenatal care, no delivery or hospital! Yes, someone will die... Then maybe the glorified pregnancy will be thought through as risky. Our highschool has a daycare nursery and the girls are si!mply giddy over their creations! If one died from lack of care, maybe they would think twice...if the parent of the teen mother's were held financially responsible maybe they would watch after their children. I don't want to see people die or babies without care, but I think we need to rethink this risis.
    In my day it was an embarrassing situation to be an unwed mother and girls we're sent away. That put some fear into some of us, I,e, me.

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  • redcaboose1717
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    There are reasons for some people to be on state aid. Sorry, but I don't see the reason for a teenage or pre-teen CHILD to be pregnant and on WELFARE because there's shows out there that GLORIFY pregnancy. With the birth control that is out there in the 21st Century, you've got kids on YouTube making comments that were the same type of things WE believed in in the 1950-60's & 70's...You know:
    Don't let a guy finish inside you....that way you can't get pregnant"
    "If you are using birth control, people will this your easy." (or they say words like "sl*t"
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    Parents still find it difficult to talk to their children about sex and then the kids get FALSE information.
    A lot of parents aren't home long enough after work to do much more than throw dinner on the table and get the kids in bed. Most likely 80%-90% of the parents don't have a CLUE as to where their teens are.
    (When my kids were teens 3/4ths of their friends were always at our house. I always talked to their friends parents that seemed uninterested that the kids were at our house, and really didn't seem to care WHAT kind of parents my DH & I were. Some of the stories my kids friends told me were heartbreakingly sad...…
    Sorry, but there is way too many kids on YOUTUBE that think all these teens who are making $100's of Thousands of dollars on YouTube per year are (in the teens eyes that watch their channels) So great because they are TEEN PARENTS!!! It's sad how many of these channels where these young girls are acting and dressing like they are 20-25 yrs old and they are just 13-14-15 yrs old.
    Every week I find more and more of these sad channels. Just this week I found a YT channel with a young teen mom with a 3 month old little boy, who is trying to do the right thing, she has a job, she seems to be a great mommy.....she isn't thinking that her son is her parents responsibility....and yet(?) it seems that because she isn't out there messing around with her BF or partying....her channel has VERY little subscribers count. Why not? Why is that these girls who think having a baby is great, and the care is left to the grandparents or other family members seem to be the ones making big $$ off YT!!

    Sorry, but the attitude that most of us have about all these young people thinking that the state should be responsible for them WHEN they choose to be irresponsible. I disagree that it's okay for these kids to just think "Okay, well, the state can pay the bills, pay for my health care, give me welfare, etc. so I can have a kid and play house with my BF."
    No, it's not okay.....its up to the PARENTS of today to raise their children to realize that their LIFE IS their responsibility.....It's sad when people think someone is picking on someone because they are on state aid.
    AS I said previously there are people through no fault of their own (job loss, insurance lose, etc) that have to have STATE help. You don't decide that having sex with your BF without birth control is OKAY because there's a SAFETY NET out there to help you.
    When my DH and I had our first child I was on the pill. He was in the service and we were under the understanding that because I got pregnant WHILE DH was in the US Army that they would pay for the birth 30 days AFTER DH mustered out of the US Army. When we did learn the truth, we began to save money....I worked overseas and my DH worked on POST because we knew a birth in the hospital and the baby's care was going to be $$.
    When we came home, we had $4500.00 saved up for the birth, to be paid in CASH by US.
    Imagine my shock when our families thought that we were NUTS for not applying for welfare!!!
    When our son as born, I had some medical issues and I was kept for 5 days...instead of the normal 3 days back in 1975....my hospital bill that should have been $2200.00....was $4100.00. We didn't make a bill out of it (we could have, I know that.) but we agreed that we had set the money aside and it needed to be paid. We received the care and it was excellent for me and our son.
    When our son was 4-5 months old I began to babysit my nieces and nephews during the day, and I worked part-time on week-ends as a nurse in the local hospital (back then I worked 8 hours from 3-11pm. We started saving again so that we someday could have a home, etc.
    Sorry, but there's just way too many people that think it's the State's responsibility to pay your bills because you decided either not to use Birth Control or use the excuse (and LIE) to your parents that "the condom broke or the pill didn't work" (you have to take the pill to make sure it works)
    (of course there are times when things DO HAPPEN....I get it....but there's a lot of B.S. out there too.
    While we all have issues with health care here in the US......There's a lot of issues with socialized medicine too. I don't know if it is this way now, but I knew a gal that was Canadian as was her DH and her DH was diagnosed with a brain tumor and DIED waiting for the proper testing (CT-scan) He waited 5 months for that scan and died before he got it.
    From what it sounds like things HAVE changed in Canada.....but I know from talking to patients who have Hydrocephalus as I do, that there are things that Canada won't do....such as give the Hydrocephalus patient a choice as far as the Programable Shunt to help drain away the CSF (Cerebral Spinal Fluid) from their brains (into their abdomen). The patients I've talked to say Canada won't let them have the Programmable Shunt made by Johnson & Johnson which is called "Codman-Hickman"......Canada uses the Metronic Strata Valve because it is cheaper. I know a woman that wants to come to the US so that she can get the Codman Hickman Programmable shunt here in the US.

    So, there's issues in all types of things. People who abuse state aid.....we all probably know someone who has done it. I was bashed by my family for YEARS because I wouldn't LIE and apply for MEDICAID when we had our First-Born. (My parents were proud that I wouldn't lie...and I was too!)


    There's a lot of things WRONG with the US.....but there's a lot of things RIGHT with our country too. If you've lived in another country, you'd know what I am talking about. I lived in Germany during the Cold War.....and there were differences. People in Foreign Countries think Americans are RICH......When we lived in Germany, THREE families lived in one home....the parents on the MAIN floor, the grandparents (usually the wife's parents) lived in an apartment in the basement (very nice apartments too!) and the young newly married couple lived in the attic apartment.
    Those three families owned ONE CAR. That car was washed and taken care of EVERY SUNDAY. You weren't allowed to have a car with rust on it....if you were a German National, your car had to be kept in tip-top shape. The only people allowed to have a little bit of rust on the exterior of their cars were the American GI's ( the German government RELAXED some of their RULES for GI's to own cars...(back in 1973-75 you could buy a REALLY nice car that ran in tip top shape for about 4-5 bottles of Jim-Beam Whiskey!!! (I'm serious)
    Sure, we all have things that are difficult in the US.....there's difficulties in all countries.
    The problem is that all the people in "power" within the US have their HEALTH CARE taken care of for them....WHY? They certainly as Senators,Congressmen,Governors and on and on have enough $$ to pay for their own health care. Is this right? No, it isn't. Look at all the perks these people receive. Is that right? No it isn't...…

    The sad thing is we all have opinions......

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  • auntstuff
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    I do my best to avoid such shows. I can see plenty of that just watching some of my neighbors.

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  • redcaboose1717
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    Go on YouTube.....it's a shame how many young 12-13-14-15-16-17 yr old are pre-teen & teen moms...and get ANGRY if you make a comment that they used state aid for their pregnancies and births. They tell you that "THEY" pay taxes...and when you ask them where they pay taxes, they tell you "Well, I pay taxes on my non-food items that my FOOD stamps don't buy." LOL! Really?
    I realize this is a touchy subject and these networks with these teen mom shows like MTV ( I don't know what it is called) and then the show TLC has called Unexpected.....makes my blood boil.....that show is in it's 3 season...and the only teen mom that has been there all 3 seasons is the one that just gave birth to her 2nd kid, lives with her grandparents (they raised her) and she's dumped her babies daddy, and has a new BF that she started seeing when the 2nd kid was a few weeks old.
    Apparently (she's on YouTube) her GMA/GPA have let this girl rule the roost since she was 5 yrs old. GMA did try to put her on Birth Control but she threw a fit and wouldn't take it. She wanted a baby(she admitted this on YouTube) to keep her 17 yr old BF around. They moved out, and fought so much that the apartment complex where they lived asked them to leave. She was pregnant for the 2nd one by this time and complained because the BF was working and was never home(she figured her income from the show was enough to live on so she thought the BF didn't need to work. They were supposed to get married, but suddenly she (after GMA/GPA paid for a wedding gown and probably other things) cancelled the wedding.
    The thing that is really wrong here is that the GMA/GPA watch the kids all the time and this girls' mom has two kids by another guy (10-11 yrs old and a 2 yr old)and the "mom" of this girl comes over to the Grandparents every day to take care of the babies (2 yrs and 4-5 months old) while the babies "teenmom" pampers herself, makes her YT videos and whatever else she thinks is important.
    Grandma/Grandpa let this "teen mom " go away for the week-end with her "new" BF? LOL!....really?
    The latest thing I seen on YouTube was that this teen mom has contacted a Miami Plastic Surgeon and hopes to get "picked" to be an "Ambassador" for the Plastic Surgeon....because her body is sooo terrible (she starved herself to get back to her pre-pregnancy weight.)
    (BTW....this girl lives in Ohio with her grandparents....and she wants plastic surgery in Miami FL?)
    It's really sad.....it seems like whatever this teen mom wants, she gets. There doesn't seem to be any rules or conditions as far as her having two kids under 2. Oh, and she's signed up to go to nursing school. Classes are from 8 am to 4 pm Mon-Fri???

    My question is really? I think GMA/GPA are going to be watching a THIRD baby pretty soon as well....(BTW....these Grandparents are the TEEN MOMS grandparents....so they are watching their GREAT-GRAND kids...…?????)
    (She won't let the dad of the kids NOR will she let the Paternal GMA watch the kids now that she has a new BF ..she claims the BF no longer is a good dad....(well, she thinks she's a good mom? LOL)

    Have any of you seen this train wreck on TV or YouTube? My 82 yr old aunt told me about this show! LOL!....(and boy she wasn't happy about it either!
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  • cv quilter
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    Maybe this isn't applicable to this thread, but thought I'd give us all food for thought
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  • MissMay in Jersey
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    Originally posted by bubba View Post
    Our daughters each cost $9.30 to have. MM was in the Marines at the time and the cost of $3.10 per day was to pay for the food consumed!!
    Our 2 oldest boys were also born when DH was in the Marines, 1955 & 1957. Since DH was stationed in Japan FIL paid the less than $10 fee for each of them.

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  • grammaterry
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    With unemployment hovering below 4 percent, there are no qualified people to fill jobs. I know I had trouble finding workers when I owned my own business. Our county employees have free health care no deductible. Most are young and could care less about this $9500 per year per person benefit. They would be able to purchase an adequate policy thru the private sector and give themselves a raise. Yes healthcare for all would be great, along with educations which we do have...just not college...save up.....free food?....lots of it is out there...I'd like free dental, a free car and gas to operate it!,,,, Oh yes, and a vacation would be nice...and maybe I shouldn't have to weed my garden...you see how the list goes on.
    A job, work hard and prove yourself, move up the ladder, stay out of debt, don't spend all that you earn, make good life choices, help your fellow man and put your faith in the God of your choice and your needs will be filled

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  • Monique
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    Some refer to here in Canada as "Cash for life". I have seen some of these people and there is absolutely no reason why they can't work. I have seen people post on Facebook "Anyone hiring?" Go out and pound the pavement, there are jobs out there. Don't expect it to be handed to you.

    Rant over.

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  • Caroline T.
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    Originally posted by bubba View Post
    Our daughters each cost $9.30 to have. MM was in the Marines at the time and the cost of $3.10 per day was to pay for the food consumed!!
    $9.30 out of pocket for you was nothing. What MM (and other military personnel and their families) contributed to have those benefits was so much more than money! Thank you MM.

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  • GuitarGramma
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    I have the unique perspective of being an American who is used to the US system, who also spent a few years in another country where healthcare was "free."

    It wasn't really free; people paid 50% of their income in income tax. That's not a progressive tax or a marginal tax rate, that's half your salary getting turned over to the government. And it wasn't always available either. I heard a young woman tell her story: she had an operable brain tumor that would kill her in two months. The waiting list for government-funded operation was two years. So she borrowed from family and paid for the operation out of pocket. And lived to tell her story.

    Also interesting was that I was living in basically the same socio-economic class in both countries. But in the US, I know very few families who have lost a child. In this other country, almost every family at my children's school had a deceased child.

    I also had an American friend who gave birth over there and brought an American labor and delivery nurse into the delivery room as a labor coach. My friend survived, but only after the labor and delivery nurse thought she'd died: her blood pressure dropped to zero, but the medical team chose not to do a C-section. The American labor and delivery nurse was appalled.

    Yet another friend (native to that country) had two premature children two years apart; neither survived.

    I've heard it said that there are three goals for every health care system: affordability, availability, and quality. It may be that you can only have two of those in any particular system. In the US, we have availability and quality. We have the safety net of Medicaid to try to help those who otherwise can't afford care. And, yes, I agree that the threat of losing Medicaid can keep people in low wage jobs for fear of losing Medicaid; I've seen it happen.

    Bottom line, I don't believe there is a perfect health care system. And rich people get better medical care than poor people do. Rich people also eat better food and wear nicer clothes than poor people do. I don't think there's a way to get from our current US health care system to a "free" system that maintains availability. Even President Obama's health care czar admitted that Obamacare would end up rationing care. And I'll never forget President Obama's answer when he was asked if someone would be eligible for a pacemaker at age 99 as her mother had received; the mother was thriving at age 105. After a long preamble, President Obama said, "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery but taking the pain killer."

    Having a daughter who was under-insured but survived cancer, I sort of like the system we have. The quality of my daughter's health care could not be surpassed. And it was worth every penny we spent.
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  • bubba
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    Our daughters each cost $9.30 to have. MM was in the Marines at the time and the cost of $3.10 per day was to pay for the food consumed!!

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  • The_Last_Unicorn
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    I personally believe healthcare is a human right. I feel it is heartless to make your fellow man go without life sustaining medicine or surgery. To me, it is an odd notion that a person has to "earn" or be "deserving" of something like an EpiPen or insulin. If nothing else, having a healthy population benefits everyone: fewer diseases going around, a stronger workforce, etc. People in this country die every day because they can't afford insulin and try to ration it. Maybe if they didn't buy a fancy TV last year and tugged their bootstraps a little harder, they would've made it? Citizens in a first world country shouldn't have to beg and depend on the sympathy of strangers (e.g. through GoFundMe) to afford medical care. They shouldn't go bankrupt trying to save a family member's life. And these things happen to people with "good" insurance, too!

    We pay taxes for roads and schools for everyone to access...why not healthcare, too? It's also a public interest, and every first world country except the United States has some form of universal healthcare. Sadly, things will likely stay the same because too many powerful people are making too much money off things as they are. Big pharmaceutical companies can lobby/buy politicians to get legislation that favors them, and they can sue into the ground anyone who opposes them. Because of the way healthcare insurance works here, medical costs have soared.

    Maybe it all comes down to what you think our society should be. Should we cooperate so that everyone has reasonable, equitable access to basic human needs? Roads, education, clean water, healthcare, etc. Should the strong look after the weak? Should only the strong survive?

    There are people who climb out of poverty. They do it by taking advantage of opportunities, such as someone giving them a chance by hiring them despite their lack of experience. Maybe they have a mentor or an advocate like a parent who is involved with their education and holds their child's teacher accountable or fights to get their child enrolled in a charter school or study programs. Even self-made people have had help somewhere from someone to get them where they are today. Those opportunities don't present themselves to everyone, and just because one person climbed out doesn't mean that everyone can. People born in poverty have worked and become millionaires. Why can't anybody do this, if it's only a matter of will and hard work?

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  • grammaterry
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    Auntstuff, I too climbed out of a lower class home...hard work. I know there are folks with real needs. We need to be kind and always, thou shall not judge. However, we have made some parts of our system too comfortable. We used to give food Staples to those in need and without support from their church or family! Now, we give them what appears to be a debit card so they are not embarrassed. I will help anyone who is making an effort to help themselves. I look for them when I'm food shopping. If they are mindful of the purchases and not buying what I call extravagant food ,ie prepared, junk food, frozen pizzas, shrimp, soda, chips, I will pay for their cart and tell the clerk to just tell them to pass it on when things are better.
    I don't think heath care is a right, I think we work for benefits! I don't like it when little children go without, but sometimes the lessons they learn, give them the incentive to break the cycle. I went without socks until I was 30 and by then, I didn't even realize I had missed anything. I had a pair of size 10 shoes in 6th grade..I am a size 7...but I never let on. Pride is a remarkable reward.
    I was not a well child and my mother took me to the doctor 7 days a week for 10 years! My dad worked but my parents were alcoholics. I was not insured although preexisting insurance was available. People have priorities ! Some buy insurance, others buy big screen TVs.
    I won the life's lottery being born in America where I am free to make the choice to better myself.

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