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  • kensington
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    Originally posted by easyquilts View Post
    What is sad is that they certainly would not have been wading in the lagoon if they had known the danger... No one in their right mind would deliberately out their child at such risk.... Once again, I refuse to blame the victims...
    I'm not blaming the victims. I am noting that something like this was bound to happen. You have gators in a lagoon, people will ignore signs, and it's mating season. Even if they put up different signs... it could happen again. People ignore them. They need to destroy the gators in my humble opinion.

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  • easyquilts
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    Originally posted by kensington View Post
    They ignore the signs and walked and splashed in the water... that gets the gators attention. Were in the water past their ankles. The Movie Screen is up on the lawn where everyone lays out blankets and sits.

    If they had not been near or splashing in the water... it would not have happened. The gator does what a gator naturally does. Which is sad. The poor baby is gone and the parents have to live without him. It's so sad.
    What is sad is that they certainly would not have been wading in the lagoon if they had known the danger... No one in their right mind would deliberately out their child at such risk.... Once again, I refuse to blame the victims...

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  • easyquilts
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    Originally posted by shirleyknot View Post
    The gist of the article I tried to post
    Oh, my, God....and I mean that reverently....

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  • kensington
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    Originally posted by easyquilts View Post
    They weren't just out wandering around... It was Movue Night... Movies were shown outdoors... It's a thing they fo.

    And.. No one was swimming.... They were merely wetting their feet... You can't blame the victims...
    They ignore the signs and walked and splashed in the water... that gets the gators attention. Were in the water past their ankles. The Movie Screen is up on the lawn where everyone lays out blankets and sits.

    If they had not been near or splashing in the water... it would not have happened. The gator does what a gator naturally does. Which is sad. The poor baby is gone and the parents have to live without him. It's so sad.

    This has only happened once before... in the late 70's... A older boy and his sibs were playing at the edge of one of the bodies of water, splashing and throwing rocks. When the gator came up out of the water and grabbed his leg. His brother, sister and he fought off the gator... he spent a week in the hospital and still has the scars on his leg.

    In the last few years the gator population has been growing at a rapid pace... who ever watches that and documents the figures should have warned Disney to do something. Most of the people who work at Disney are Teenagers... tons of them. I was at the Grand Floridian this year and ate dinner... walked back to the water to ride the boat to my hotel after dark. My daughter and her family stayed there for a week too. I am not someone who thinks we need to protect the gators. Oh Heck No... especially when their population is growing so fast.
    Last edited by kensington; June 17, 2016, 09:11 PM.

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  • easyquilts
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    I have to say this..... We lived in Florida fir about eighteen months..... I have never lived in a place where you are immediately told not to leave your dmsll children, or pets alone outside...... Where we were told, by the police, not to walk in the neighborhood at night, where there was a large cat in our backyard.....where our small dog neatly died, oh from an attack of fire ants...

    A large black snake lived under a bush in our bavk yard....and my husband....an electrician/carpenter....ran into at least five rattlers on the job.

    My husband went fishing, one day, and stripped on a "log"...which turned out to be an alligator...

    Shortly after we left, a child was killed by fire ants....

    Let's just say that we were very hsppy to return to Cincinnati....

    I really think most people, who are vacationing in a Disney hotel, should...and do....have an expectation of safety from predators, Dutch as aligators..... Most wouodn' even thunk about aligators being present in a body of wAter near a luxury hotel...

    Floriduans know better, but tourists often do not..... Most have had no experience with such things..... Dipping ine's feet into pretty lake or pond.....especially one so near one's hotel......seems like a perfectly reasonable thung to fo, on a warm cummerbund evening...esoevialky if you are nit from the south.....

    It's not enough to put up a simple No Swimming sign..... The sigh age needs to be specific, in this instance...... Clearly stating that there are dangerous aligators in the water....and that they will come to the shire....

    I was nit there...but my imagination keeps playing that horrific scene, in my head..... This family will never fully recover from the trauma it has suffered.....needlessly.....

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  • shirleyknot
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    The gist of the article I tried to post

    In a conversation with CBS News, a San Diego attorney named David Hiden said he notified a manager at the Coronado Springs Resort — part of the the Orlando Disney World complex — in April 2015 after an alligator “rapidly” came after his son, who was wading in the hotel’s lagoon.

    “And the response, I couldn’t believe it,” he said in the interview. According to Hiden, the manager replied, “Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.”

    Hiden said: “I said, ‘I hope I’m wrong, but at some point, I bet I’m going to read about you guys where one of your resident pets killed somebody. And I hope to god it never happens because it’s gonna be on your shoulders.'”

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  • easyquilts
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    Originally posted by jjkaiser View Post
    Just wondering--if you live in Florida and have a swimming pool in your back yard would an alligator try to go in the pool? Is that why people put fences around them?

    Oh, yes.,, you have to guard against large snakes, too.....

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  • Cool Breeze Quilter
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    Originally posted by shirleyknot View Post
    Well, darn! Wonder what happened there. It was an article about a previous attack on a child at the same spot, and those in charge stating the alligators were harmless pets.
    I didn't see the article. But yesterday I was talking with someone about this and they said it is not the first time this has happened at Disney. This person couldn't remember the details because it was a while back.

    When we lived in a different part of FL we were walking by a lake (natural not man made) and saw a gator, who looked like a log at first. I called town officials thinking that they would remove the gator (it was in a residential neighborhood.) I had this silly notion that they could remove the gator and bring it to the Everglades. That would take more time and money than they were willing to spend. They did nothing. And usually nothing happens as far as attacks go which is great ... until it does happen. I don't think the gators should be destroyed but brought to a location like the Everglades where there are no people. I also think that signs should be up warning people of the danger in all public places. I don't know why during mating season areas aren't blocked off and signs put up telling people to stay away.

    A gator can outrun a horse for short distances (a mile or 2.) But a gator can't turn quickly when it is running. So if someone finds a gator running towards them run in a zig zag pattern. They won't be able to keep up.

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  • WendyI
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    Originally posted by shirleyknot View Post
    Well, darn! Wonder what happened there. It was an article about a previous attack on a child at the same spot, and those in charge stating the alligators were harmless pets.
    Is this he headline? Man seized by Disney gator in '86 horrified for boy's family

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  • shirleyknot
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    Well, darn! Wonder what happened there. It was an article about a previous attack on a child at the same spot, and those in charge stating the alligators were harmless pets.

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  • WendyI
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    Originally posted by kaydee View Post

    That alligator expert I referenced earlier said there is no man alive that would have enough strength to open the jaws of an adult alligator.
    I don't know how I know this but I know if you are attacked by a gator you're supposed to go for their eyes...stick your thumbs right in. That will often make them let go.

    So very tragic for this poor family. My heart breaks for them. :'(

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  • WendyI
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    Originally posted by shirleyknot View Post
    Would THIS make you absolve Disney from blame?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-wa...went-062835940
    I'm not sure what we're looking at here??

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  • shirleyknot
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    Would THIS make you absolve Disney from blame?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-wa...went-062835940

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  • Cool Breeze Quilter
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    Originally posted by Suzette View Post
    I think there is more than enough blame to go around here. Perhaps Disney could have done a better job of ensuring the safety of their guests, and you could easily argue that the parents should not have let their child go into water (not even to wade) with a 'no swimming' warning posted. It was a heads-up that there was a danger somewhere in that water and it was not heeded.

    But in the end, a child is dead, there has been the unnecessary slaughter of several alligators, and the parents will grieve and blame themselves for the rest of their lives. It's all just heartbreaking no matter who you lay the blame on.
    I agree with everything you have said. A sweet baby is gone and things will never be the same again for this family. The best we can do now is learn from this tragedy and prevent this from happening to another sweet, innocent child.

    I've lived in FL for 20 years. I don't expect people that aren't from around here to understand that gators do go into waters that are manmade. When we first moved here I expected them to be in lakes and ponds. Not man made ponds that have been created on the sides of the roads, or in parks, golf courses, or swimming pools. We have built up around them and then don't understand this.

    June is mating season for gators. They are territorial and aggressive during mating season. This is the time of year to avoid areas where gators are and people up north have no way of knowing this. How would they? Even some folks living here don't know it.

    I was shocked when we first moved here to see signs that said "Please don't feed the alligators." A sign is needed to tell people this? You might think common sense would prevail but yes the signs are necessary. What happens when the food runs out? Even worse this is how gators lose their natural fear of people. Once they have associated people with food and have lost their fear they will go after a child, even if it is in a stroller. They often will go after dogs too.

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  • Cool Breeze Quilter
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    Originally posted by jjkaiser View Post
    Just wondering--if you live in Florida and have a swimming pool in your back yard would an alligator try to go in the pool? Is that why people put fences around them?
    Yes and yes. Gators can climb a 5 foot fence and they do manage to get into swimming pools.

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