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happygram
January 25th, 2012, 09:46 PM
There's a used Bernina 440 QE with the BSR and an embroidery module available at the local Bernina store. It's got 2,000,000 stitches on it, was bought in 2010, and 2 of the 3 warranties are still good. There's a new Janome 7700 Horizon that looks like it could drive itself. It's got all of the bells and whistles including the full warranty. I've tried both of them, and they sew beautifully. There'd be quite a learning curve with the Janome (perhaps this is a negative?) and it looks like it was designed to quilt with an 11 inch "workspace". (I don't know what that part is called.) The Bernina has lots of "stuff" on it, sews nicely, but isn't particularly a quilting machine. The "throat" or whatever it's called does have a bigger quilting area than the machine I have (a basic Bernina workhorse).

I realize that I'm interested in quilting and that the Bernina deluxe quilting machine is waaaaaay out of my price range.

Does anyone have advice for me about the new Janome 7700 Horizon and/or the used Bernina 440QE? Pricewise, the Bernina is a few hundred dollars more than the Janome.

I don't have a lot of experience with any machine other than the one I've used for 4 years.

Thanks for any advice.

a1angiem
January 25th, 2012, 09:53 PM
I was in a similar spot around Christmas time and since I want to focus on quilting, chose the new Horizon over the used 11000 combo machine. It's a very personal decision but I know I made the right one for me. The Horizon is a gorgeous machine and I'm loving it. It has some super features (I've posted videos on YouTube highlighting some of them) and the 11" throat space is amazing! So far it is my dream machine. (Sorry, I don't know anything about the Berninas...)
- Angie

DCM
January 25th, 2012, 11:40 PM
I would personally buy the Janome if it had all the features that I was looking for. I guess I would worry about something wearing out on the Bernina that was no longer covered under the warranty - the new Janome would be under warranty for a longer period of time. I would also look at whether or not there was a certified service center for one or the other in my area in case something ever needs to be fixed. Sounds like no matter which one you choose, you will be buying an awesome machine. Enjoy whatever you buy!

Genny
January 26th, 2012, 02:16 AM
All I can say is Janome...This is the only brand I will ever have.

Bubby
January 26th, 2012, 07:40 AM
I'm partial to Janome, but I've never owned a Bernina. I know that Bernina owners are wild happy with their machines!! I have looked and played with Berninas at the quilt shop but the price on Berninas are through the roof! I sew on a New Home (Janome) Memory Craft 4000. It's close to 20 years old and has never had a down day! I drool over the new features on the modern machines, but I'm not ready to part with my "old girl"!!! :)

rebeccas-sewing
January 26th, 2012, 10:16 AM
I love Janome!

Beakkmom
January 26th, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jenome ;)

Lin

bfavorite
January 28th, 2012, 08:06 PM
I owned a Bernina 820 for two years and just never felt comfortable with it. It was just too "finicky" for my taste. I had to take it back to the shop for adjustments more than once; it seemed like whenever anything went wrong, it needed to be fixed by a trained Bernina technician.

I know the Bernina 820 machine was really, really smart, but somehow when I tried to use it and couldn't, I ended up feeling really, really stupid. I finally sold the Bernina about 6 months ago and bought a used Janome Horizon instead (and had plenty of money left over, since the used Horizon was way less expensive than what I sold the Bernina 820 for.)

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this machine! I was able to begin quilting on it right away, and have gradually been trying out more of the special stitches and features. I don't think I will ever go back to Bernina, simply because, for me at least, the Janome is just a more user-friendly machine. It "thinks" the way I think, and so it is easier for me to use. The Horizon is also an exceptionally quiet machine to operate. I literally feel like it is "purring" when I'm sewing on it.

BonnieGale

happygram
January 29th, 2012, 04:07 AM
Thanks so much for your good advice.
This weekend was the "big" quilt show in Phoenix, and I went to look around and drool. There were wonderful displays and exhibitions of Janome and Bernina and just about everything else. When I stopped at a local shop's area, there were lots of Janomes hanging around, and a nice gentleman came over and and asked if I was interested in seeing any of the machines. I gulped and said I was. To make a long story somewhat shorter, he said the Horizon had a special quilt show price, and that I could trade in a coverstitch machine I got for a gift and have used twice. After the show, I came home and told my husband about this, and I called the shop this morning. The person who answered the phone told me that I'd spoken with the owner's son at the q

happygram
January 29th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Oops! I wonder how I did that?

Anyway, the owner's son said that because I wasn't in a huge hurry for the machine, they'd give me another hundred dollars for the trade in. This was just too good of a deal to pass up, wasn't it?

So....in a couple of weeks, I'll be the delighted and confused owner of a new Janome. Now, if I can only figure out how to use it...

Thank you again for your comments and help.

Lisalou
January 29th, 2012, 05:50 AM
Aw happygram, really delighted for you!!!

Lx

Jean Sewing Machine
February 9th, 2012, 05:16 PM
I have a Horizon, love it because it sews so nice. Had a bit of an issue with FMQ with it, still unresolved, but I'm on this forum instead of being at the dealer to learn some more about the machine. I failed to take the included lessons on the Horizon right when I bought it, now I need to go back and do that 18 months later, because I forgot half of what I learned in a seminar that was really a sales pitch for the machine. I don't know what that opening is called, I heard someone call it the "harp", that makes sense. I bought the Horizon because of that 11" space. I also have a Janome 6600 and a 10000 that is 10 years old. Never will purchase another embroidery machine, too much fuss and expense for the benefits, in my estimation. But I would spend an equivalent amount of cash to get a real long arm quilting machine! Go figure! But, I have an old Bernina, tiny little thing, 35 years old and still sews like a champ. I don't know how wonderful the new Berninas are, just know they are pricey, new or used. We are losing Bernina dealers in our city, does anyone know if there is a problem with that company? We've lost 2 (closest to me, of course) over the last year.

Cathy F
February 9th, 2012, 06:38 PM
I have a Janome embroidery machine and I found it very user friendly, and a friend of mine bought a Janome sewing machine and said the same thing, very user friendly. You probably won't have any trouble learning the new machine!

a1angiem
February 9th, 2012, 07:17 PM
I have a Horizon, love it because it sews so nice. Had a bit of an issue with FMQ with it, still unresolved, but I'm on this forum instead of being at the dealer to learn some more about the machine. I failed to take the included lessons on the Horizon right when I bought it, now I need to go back and do that 18 months later, because I forgot half of what I learned in a seminar that was really a sales pitch for the machine. I don't know what that opening is called, I heard someone call it the "harp", that makes sense. I bought the Horizon because of that 11" space. I also have a Janome 6600 and a 10000 that is 10 years old. Never will purchase another embroidery machine, too much fuss and expense for the benefits, in my estimation. But I would spend an equivalent amount of cash to get a real long arm quilting machine! Go figure! But, I have an old Bernina, tiny little thing, 35 years old and still sews like a champ. I don't know how wonderful the new Berninas are, just know they are pricey, new or used. We are losing Bernina dealers in our city, does anyone know if there is a problem with that company? We've lost 2 (closest to me, of course) over the last year.

Jean, I posted 7 videos with tips on the Horizon if you're interested. Here's the link to my youtube channel...
http://www.youtube.com/user/a1angiem
- the videos are on the right side and will play in sequence. The Horizon group seems to like them and they are a good reminder of some of the great features.
Angie

bec
February 9th, 2012, 08:08 PM
I have a Janome 6600 and love it. It is quiet and is user friendly. I actually tried the Horizon and thought about buying it because of the 11 inch harp. However, while playing with it, the little plate that turns the throat-plate hole into a single needle hole malfunctioned and the needle hit it and totally messed it up. They actually had to put a new one on because the damaged one could not be repaired. A technician was showing the machine to me and guiding me through it so I know it wasn't something that I did.
After coming home, I searched the internet about that problem and found that quite a few people have had that problem. I even discovered that a lady at the local quilt store had the same problem more than once with her Horizon. So I bought the 6600 for half the price of the Horizon and am very please with it. That being said...I am not into embroidery...so for you the Horizon may be worth it. And just to be fair, there are those who love the Horizon and have not had any problems.

I've never tried a Bernina so I can't comment on it.

lilmouse
February 9th, 2012, 11:38 PM
I have a Janome Memory Craft 6500 that I bought in 2004 and wouldn't dream of giving it up...just purchased the Elna 740 Excellence which is also made by Janome (in fact warranty is by Janome); and it is comparable to the Horizon..(a few differences) and I absolutely love it....wouldn't give up either machine for anything...the Janome's are usually pretty user friendly!

Candy Tompkins Weiss
February 27th, 2012, 07:43 PM
Ask the sewing store about their know your machine classes. Have fun, you got a great machine.

happygram
February 28th, 2012, 03:12 AM
Thanks to everyone who recommended the Janome. I picked it up last week and am having lots of fun playing with it. I don't think I'll ever learn its tricks and capabilities, but, so far, it's been great. I have some questions about things I can't find answers for in the instruction book (like how to skip a space when I'm trying to monogram), and am keeping a list of questons for the class that's scheduled later in the month.

Again, thank you for your advice.

a1angiem
February 28th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Thanks to everyone who recommended the Janome. I picked it up last week and am having lots of fun playing with it. I don't think I'll ever learn its tricks and capabilities, but, so far, it's been great. I have some questions about things I can't find answers for in the instruction book (like how to skip a space when I'm trying to monogram), and am keeping a list of questons for the class that's scheduled later in the month.

Again, thank you for your advice.

happygram, i have posted a video (and 6 others) about adding a space you may find helpful...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aElv96pjrTg

Jean Sewing Machine
February 29th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Thanks for sharing, I've had my Horizon for over a year, and couldn't figure that out! So I went back to my older Janomes, which I couldn't bear to part with, and did my monogramming on them!